Before Bauhaus: How Goth Became Goth

Goth is many things. It’s a Germanic tribe, a style of architecture, a type of literature, of film. It’s a youth movement. What ties most of these together is a sense of …


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  1. Alright, I'm gonna have to stop you right there at Marilyn Manson. He embodied Goth just as well as he embodied Glam. It was more than just fashion and you may want to listen to his lyrics before dismissing him as easily as you did "my chemical romance" for example "I am so all american, I'll sell you suicide" or how about "you poison all your children to camouflage your scars" He held a black mirror to this country and really he captures the macabre quite well. Manson gave that scene a set of balls it didn't have before he got to it. Damn shame, now I won't be watching the rest of this video because I can tell that your research is minimal.

  2. I would say the true origin stems from Cab Calloway when you think of all the creepy jazz scores that he performed for 1930s Betty boop cartoons and with his dark creepy lyrics mixed in with the wailng drone of the saxophone , you can clearly see where origins of modern goth music stems?

  3. I very much enjoyed this video, but it exists in a punk forward counter culture echo chamber. That's said as more of an observation of a missed opportunity rather than a criticism, but how can you discuss the protogenesis of modern Goth and barely mention its strong connection to the increasing interest in the occult, and various other ancient knowledge, which bloomed throughout the 50's – 80's? I appreciate the highlight of SJH at the beginning, but the lasting impact of the connection he made between music, performance, and the mystic trails off as a footnote in this highly punk-centric thesis. No mention at all of Mr. Crowley and his Golden Dawn, or Lovecraft and his cosmic horror mythos, which heavily influenced some of the most profound incarnations of Goth rock and musical theater like Christian Death, Mephisto Walz, and The Fields of The Nephilim. It's a great video, full of interesting and accurate info, yet incomplete.

  4. Crediting Jay Hawkins is ridiculous. Shakespeare or Edgar Allen Poe would be much MUCH closer to reality. No one cared about Hawkins, and Goth bands never cited him as an influence in interviews the way they cited Poe.

  5. Cool documentary — shit ending. Goth music hasn't "always has been" — the documentary itself traces the music to Screamin' Jay in the 1950s. But still this made me think. I wouldn't have thought Nico but a good case is made here. I would maybe include "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" because it is pure death worship circa 1968.

  6. Pretty good list. I know Swans don't self identify or dress as goth but they go to some incredibly dark places and have that eerie Doors type sound (mixed with classic goth country). Especially their late 80's & 90's period. They're just as, or more goth that Joy Division I'd say. That baritone voice too. They really do tick most of the boxes.